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Subject: Nothing Like Tolerance Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:24 pm
How does Perez Hilton respond? On a video blog on his website Hilton said, “She lost not because she doesn’t believe in gay marriage, she lost because she’s a dumb witch!” Only he didn't call her a witch. He called the answer “the worst answer in pageant history”. Why? Because it didn't fit with his opinion?
On MSNBC, Hilton says he takes back his apology for calling Prejean that name and then laughs saying that while he called her that epithet he was really thinking of a word much worse, the most disparaging name you can call a woman.
What does Keith Lewis, the Executive Director of Miss California USA/Teen USA have to say?
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"As co-executive director of Miss CA USA and one of the leaders of the Miss CA family, I am personally saddened and hurt that Miss CA USA 2009 believes marriage rights belong only to a man and a woman. Although I believe all religions should be able to ordain what unions they see fit, I do not believe our government should be able to discriminate against anyone. Religious beliefs have no place in politics in the Miss CA family."
How much of this PC crap do we have to endure? Why is it OK for this nut job to attack her because of her values? The silence from the left is deafening to me.
Annie Oakley Moderator
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This is the first that I have seen of her actual answer. I thought that she presented herself very well and her answer was a non-offensive opinion. Hilton is a hack and his opinion, to me, is nothing more than that of a shock jock.
Mongo Wrangler
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Subject: Re: Nothing Like Tolerance Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:09 am
Annie Oakley wrote:
This is the first that I have seen of her actual answer. I thought that she presented herself very well and her answer was a non-offensive opinion. Hilton is a hack and his opinion, to me, is nothing more than that of a shock jock.
Subject: Re: Nothing Like Tolerance Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:59 am
Festus wrote:
No matter with whom I agree, both had the right to state their opinions...albiet they weren't on the same topic.
Calling a person filthy names just because they gave an opinion that you didn't like is hardly the same as stating your opinion. He was a judge. He let his own screwed up bias effect his judging. Something should have been done to exclude him as a judge and recalculate the votes.
gringaloca Trail Boss
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No matter with whom I agree, both had the right to state their opinions...albiet they weren't on the same topic.
As close-minded as her opinion may be, she has the right to it. And who cares what Perez thinks anyway? I mean, who is he in the grand scheme of things? I think the whole Miss America pageant is a crock of crap anyway. Women being rewarded for their bodies. Give me a break. Why they bothered to bring politics and other serious subjects into such a cave man like competition is beyond me. The whole thing is a joke and an insult to intelligent women everywhere. They should have asked her why she was degrading herself in a tiny bathing suit for points instead.
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No matter with whom I agree, both had the right to state their opinions...albiet they weren't on the same topic.
As close-minded as her opinion may be, she has the right to it. And who cares what Perez thinks anyway? I mean, who is he in the grand scheme of things? I think the whole Miss America pageant is a crock of crap anyway. Women being rewarded for their bodies. Give me a break. Why they bothered to bring politics and other serious subjects into such a cave man like competition is beyond me. The whole thing is a joke and an insult to intelligent women everywhere. They should have asked her why she was degrading herself in a tiny bathing suit for points instead.
You gott quit holding back, gringa. Tell us how you really feel.
I do have to ask, what's close-minded about her opinion?
gringaloca Trail Boss
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Subject: Re: Nothing Like Tolerance Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:57 am
Judge Roy Bean wrote:
gringaloca wrote:
Festus wrote:
No matter with whom I agree, both had the right to state their opinions...albiet they weren't on the same topic.
As close-minded as her opinion may be, she has the right to it. And who cares what Perez thinks anyway? I mean, who is he in the grand scheme of things? I think the whole Miss America pageant is a crock of crap anyway. Women being rewarded for their bodies. Give me a break. Why they bothered to bring politics and other serious subjects into such a cave man like competition is beyond me. The whole thing is a joke and an insult to intelligent women everywhere. They should have asked her why she was degrading herself in a tiny bathing suit for points instead.
You gott quit holding back, gringa. Tell us how you really feel.
I do have to ask, what's close-minded about her opinion?
Hey, it's not in my personality to hold back. I tell it like I see it.
Well, it's my opinion that her opinion is close-minded. Why? Because I think that when two people love each other then they should be able to get married and make it legal. Our laws shouldn't be based on what the Bible says is right or wrong. This isn't about religion, it's about peoples legal rights. It's up to God to judge people for the life choices they make, not ours.
Mongo Wrangler
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Subject: Re: Nothing Like Tolerance Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:45 am
gringaloca wrote:
Hey, it's not in my personality to hold back. I tell it like I see it.
Well, it's my opinion that her opinion is close-minded. Why? Because I think that when two people love each other then they should be able to get married and make it legal. Our laws shouldn't be based on what the Bible says is right or wrong. This isn't about religion, it's about peoples legal rights. It's up to God to judge people for the life choices they make, not ours.
Marriage is a religious institution, if they want to have a civil union, fine by me, but marriage, no.
gringaloca Trail Boss
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Hey, it's not in my personality to hold back. I tell it like I see it.
Well, it's my opinion that her opinion is close-minded. Why? Because I think that when two people love each other then they should be able to get married and make it legal. Our laws shouldn't be based on what the Bible says is right or wrong. This isn't about religion, it's about peoples legal rights. It's up to God to judge people for the life choices they make, not ours.
Marriage is a religious institution, if they want to have a civil union, fine by me, but marriage, no.
If that was the case then atheists wouldn't be allowed to get married. That makes no sense.
Hey, it's not in my personality to hold back. I tell it like I see it.
Well, it's my opinion that her opinion is close-minded. Why? Because I think that when two people love each other then they should be able to get married and make it legal. Our laws shouldn't be based on what the Bible says is right or wrong. This isn't about religion, it's about peoples legal rights. It's up to God to judge people for the life choices they make, not ours.
Marriage is a religious institution, if they want to have a civil union, fine by me, but marriage, no.
Nonsense. You can get married by a justice of the peace with absolutely no religious ceremony...but you cannot do it without a civil marriage license granted by the state no matter how many preachers you dig up.
Mongo Wrangler
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Hey, it's not in my personality to hold back. I tell it like I see it.
Well, it's my opinion that her opinion is close-minded. Why? Because I think that when two people love each other then they should be able to get married and make it legal. Our laws shouldn't be based on what the Bible says is right or wrong. This isn't about religion, it's about peoples legal rights. It's up to God to judge people for the life choices they make, not ours.
Marriage is a religious institution, if they want to have a civil union, fine by me, but marriage, no.
If that was the case then atheists wouldn't be allowed to get married. That makes no sense.
Why would an atheist marry in the church
Marriage wasn't started by government, I would think you were aware of that. There is no need for gays to marry, a civil union should be enough.
Mongo Wrangler
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Hey, it's not in my personality to hold back. I tell it like I see it.
Well, it's my opinion that her opinion is close-minded. Why? Because I think that when two people love each other then they should be able to get married and make it legal. Our laws shouldn't be based on what the Bible says is right or wrong. This isn't about religion, it's about peoples legal rights. It's up to God to judge people for the life choices they make, not ours.
Marriage is a religious institution, if they want to have a civil union, fine by me, but marriage, no.
Nonsense. You can get married by a justice of the peace with absolutely no religious ceremony...but you cannot do it without a civil marriage license granted by the state no matter how many preachers you dig up.
The institution of marriage was created for a man and a woman to be joined together before God. Makes no difference if you like it or not.
Hey, it's not in my personality to hold back. I tell it like I see it.
Well, it's my opinion that her opinion is close-minded. Why? Because I think that when two people love each other then they should be able to get married and make it legal. Our laws shouldn't be based on what the Bible says is right or wrong. This isn't about religion, it's about peoples legal rights. It's up to God to judge people for the life choices they make, not ours.
Marriage is a religious institution, if they want to have a civil union, fine by me, but marriage, no.
Nonsense. You can get married by a justice of the peace with absolutely no religious ceremony...but you cannot do it without a civil marriage license granted by the state no matter how many preachers you dig up.
The institution of marriage was created for a man and a woman to be joined together before God. Makes no difference if you like it or not.
You can believe all the myths you want, it doesn't make them true. The institution was originally created (by patriarchs) to legitimize essential ownership of women. Do you have any evidence of one or more gods?
Either way, it's been pretty much a miserable failure...one would think an omnipotent deity would have managed to make it work a little better.
Yeah, right. I'm going to believe those atheist links you provided, KS. Marriage is a religious institution for a union between a man and a woman. Sorry if that offends you.
Yeah, right. I'm going to believe those atheist links you provided, KS. Marriage is a religious institution for a union between a man and a woman. Sorry if that offends you.
Ignorance and bigotry don't offend me...they just make me sad.
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Yeah, right. I'm going to believe those atheist links you provided, KS. Marriage is a religious institution for a union between a man and a woman. Sorry if that offends you.
Ignorance and bigotry don't offend me...they just make me sad.
Calling names won't make you right, my friend. As Father Juan Ignacio Bañares Parera, a canon lawyer from the University of Navarre said, "marriage was designed by God's love. It is offered by the reality of nature, it is constituted by the freedom of the man and woman and it is "received and witnessed" by society, as an inherent relationship of justice."
Genesis 2:22-24: "Jehovah God proceeded to build the rib that he had taken from the man [Adam] into a woman and to bring her to the man. Then the man said: 'This is at last bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. This one will be called Woman, because from man this one was taken.' That is why a man will leave his father and his mother and he must stick to his wife and they must become one flesh." God himself brought Eve to Adam.
They didn't just decide to live together with a legal basis for doing so.
Have you managed to locate any evidence for one or more gods yet? It's ironic that bible literalists would rather believe they descended from dirt than from ancient homonyds as evolution demonstrates. (You do know the vatican now has no quarrel with evolution, right?)
Since you brought up the Adam and Eve myth, maybe you could tell me where Mrs. Cain came from...
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gringaloca Trail Boss
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Yeah, right. I'm going to believe those atheist links you provided, KS. Marriage is a religious institution for a union between a man and a woman. Sorry if that offends you.
The whole point of this forum is to discuss the issues. If you aren't willing to discuss them and have no intentions of listening to the other side or looking at their evidence, why bother starting this thread? What I don't get about this forum is why liberals are expected to come up with proof with links, etc. but the conservatives opinions are considered fact. Not exactly fair.
Mongo Wrangler
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You show a lack of knowledge about priests when you make blanket statements like "typical priest".
As for the rest of what you stated, I won't even dignify it with an answer since what you seem to want to do is attack religion and anyone that believes it. You have no clue wha my beliefs are, you based your opinion on two posts.
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Mongo Wrangler
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The whole point of this forum is to discuss the issues. If you aren't willing to discuss them and have no intentions of listening to the other side or looking at their evidence, why bother starting this thread? What I don't get about this forum is why liberals are expected to come up with proof with links, etc. but the conservatives opinions are considered fact. Not exactly fair.
Attacking someones religion isn't discussing an issue. Give me something to discuss and I'll discuss it. Where did I say conservatives point of views are fact? In fact, who, other than you, has said that at all? Find that for me and I'll apologize to you. What links are you looking for exactly? I gave you a quote from a canon lawyer, but since that didn't seem to qualify for you:
Yeah, right. I'm going to believe those atheist links you provided, KS. Marriage is a religious institution for a union between a man and a woman. Sorry if that offends you.
The whole point of this forum is to discuss the issues. If you aren't willing to discuss them and have no intentions of listening to the other side or looking at their evidence, why bother starting this thread? What I don't get about this forum is why liberals are expected to come up with proof with links, etc. but the conservatives opinions are considered fact. Not exactly fair.
Gringa, what isn't fair is that you want to take one exchange between you and I and act as if some law has been laid down to slight liberals. Let's be reasonable, you know that's not the case.
gringaloca Trail Boss
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The whole point of this forum is to discuss the issues. If you aren't willing to discuss them and have no intentions of listening to the other side or looking at their evidence, why bother starting this thread? What I don't get about this forum is why liberals are expected to come up with proof with links, etc. but the conservatives opinions are considered fact. Not exactly fair.
Attacking someones religion isn't discussing an issue. Give me something to discuss and I'll discuss it. Where did I say conservatives point of views are fact? In fact, who, other than you, has said that at all? Find that for me and I'll apologize to you. What links are you looking for exactly? I gave you a quote from a canon lawyer, but since that didn't seem to qualify for you:
You do realize that your views against gays were quite offensive right? I guess I don't understand why people are so nuts about men and women being the only ones who should get married because it's so sacred, etc. If that is the case why do so many marriages end in divorce? People don't take it seriously at all anymore. I'm with Dolly Parton on this one...
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Of course I believe in gay marriage — why shouldn’t they have to suffer just like us straight couples do?
gringaloca Trail Boss
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Yeah, right. I'm going to believe those atheist links you provided, KS. Marriage is a religious institution for a union between a man and a woman. Sorry if that offends you.
The whole point of this forum is to discuss the issues. If you aren't willing to discuss them and have no intentions of listening to the other side or looking at their evidence, why bother starting this thread? What I don't get about this forum is why liberals are expected to come up with proof with links, etc. but the conservatives opinions are considered fact. Not exactly fair.
Gringa, what isn't fair is that you want to take one exchange between you and I and act as if some law has been laid down to slight liberals. Let's be reasonable, you know that's not the case.
Well, you have to admit that I am in the minority on this site and when the site owner himself is very conservative, it makes it rather uncomfortable but I can hold my own. I was expected to provide proof with links and others comments were taken as fact with no proof and opinions were treated as fact. I'm over it now but in the future we should all stay away from the opinion equals fact thing.
Are we cool Judge?
Judge Roy Bean Founder
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Subject: Re: Nothing Like Tolerance Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:19 am
gringaloca wrote:
Well, you have to admit that I am in the minority on this site and when the site owner himself is very conservative, it makes it rather uncomfortable but I can hold my own. I was expected to provide proof with links and others comments were taken as fact with no proof and opinions were treated as fact. I'm over it now but in the future we should all stay away from the opinion equals fact thing.
Are we cool Judge?
Actually, your "side" may be in the majority on this site as of now, but I get your point and thank you for your viewpoint and suggestions. I will do my best to keep things fair.
Heck yes were cool, gringa! I may disagree with you politically, but I admire and respect you and your opinions. Outside of politics, we seem to have some things in common.
Mongo Wrangler
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Subject: Re: Nothing Like Tolerance Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:43 am
gringaloca wrote:
You do realize that your views against gays were quite offensive right? I guess I don't understand why people are so nuts about men and women being the only ones who should get married because it's so sacred, etc. If that is the case why do so many marriages end in divorce? People don't take it seriously at all anymore. I'm with Dolly Parton on this one...
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Of course I believe in gay marriage — why shouldn’t they have to suffer just like us straight couples do?
Offensive? Why? That's the problem I have with the view of gays and those that support their agenda, they expect no resistance. If you say you think marriage is between a man and a woman, then you MUST hate gays and are naturally a bigot. Such nonsense! I don't like people getting special privileges because of their lifestyle. You have to draw the line. Are we then supposed to allow those that engage in bestiality to marry? What about polygamy? Why should we allow gays to marry but then tell someone how many wives or husbands you're allowed to have? Divorce is a problem, so why add to it? Marriage should be sacred, but too many people these days couldn't care less about their religion, we've become a society of selfish people that care about what's next for us and how much can we get. Sad.
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