More cases of right wingers going off the deepend...

These rabble-rousers need to be held accountable for this crap.

Quote :: As lobbyist-run groups encourage conservative activists to “rattle” members of Congress at local town hall events, Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-VA), the president of the freshman Democratic class has revealed that “at least one freshman Democrat” has already been “physically assaulted at a local event.” Connolly warned that conservative groups had taken things to a “dangerous level“:

“When you look at the fervor of some of these people who are all being whipped up by the right-wing talking heads on Fox, to me, you’re crossing a line,’ Connolly said. ‘They’re inciting people to riot with just total distortions of facts. They think we’re going to euthanize Grandma and the government is going to take over.”

Recent events have given congressman good reason to be “fearful for their safety.” Last week, a protester hung an effigy of freshman Rep. Frank Kratovil (D-MD) outside his district office, and after a June 22 town hall meeting was disrupted by an “unruly mob” of tea party activists, Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY) had to be escorted to his car by police. ThinkProgress contacted Connolly’s office regarding the identity of the congressman who was physically assaulted, but we have not yet received a response.

Quote :: Dear CNN and Fox: This is what happens when you give false legitimacy to people like Glenn Beck:

As reported by Saturday's NY Post ( http://bit.ly/... ), "A Long Island mother of three -- armed to the teeth with an assault rifle and shotgun -- was arrested for scouting out and taking pictures of an Air National Guard base."

Her arsenal included an XM-15 assault rifle, a shotgun and 500 rounds of ammunition.

The woman, Nancy Genovese, had been seen at the base a few weeks earlier, taking photos and questioning the guards. This time she had returned to take photos of the perimeter of the base. It's not difficult to make the connection that she was paranoid about "FEMA Camps".

Genovese is a Glenn Beck fan, according to her MySpace page ( http://bit.ly/... and archived at http://www.webcitation.org/... ). "He is mad as hell and so are we. He is right and so are we", writes Genovese, who also posted a video of a Glenn Beck rant.

Genovese additionally posted an amateur video indicating her apparent affinity for right-wing militia movements.

Just look at her MySpace page -- and in case that's wiped, here's the archived version. She's convinced that the Federal Emergency Management Agency is evil (and not because of the rotten job it did under Bushes One and Two). FEMA FEMA FEMA! (And like Michele Bachmann, she's not fond of census takers, either. Or health care reform.)

At last report, she was being held for psychiatric observation after going "berzerk" in the courtroom. A picture of Ms. Genovese, as well as the picture of what she had stashed in her trunk (see above) can be found at the Southampton Press' story on this incident.

Oh, and check out her Twitter page. Yes, she's a tea bagger, too.

Meanwhile, Glenn Beck was spotted lying his ass off about the highly successful "cash for clunkers" program.

Sow the crazy wind, reap the danger-to-herself-and-others whirlwind.

Rancher Posts : 873 Age : 65 Join date : 2009-04-23

What about the liberal tree-hugging nut case that blew up the car lot of SUV's... Plenty more examples of VIOLENT liberals going off the deep end... You just won't hear about them from the liberal media.... Razz

Lucas McCain wrote:: What about the liberal tree-hugging nut case that blew up the car lot of SUV's... Plenty more examples of VIOLENT liberals going off the deep end... You just won't hear about them from the liberal media....

OMG, he blew up SUV's? Poor babies. Razz

I don't feel sorry for SUV's. I do feel sorry for human beings being killed.

Rancher Posts : 873 Age : 65 Join date : 2009-04-23

Several people could have been killed.. He set the bomb off without regard to human life and destroyed private property... But I guess that's OK because he is a liberal nut case instead of a conservative nut case... Rolling Eyes

Lucas McCain wrote:: Several people could have been killed.. He set the bomb off without regard to human life and destroyed private property... But I guess that's OK because he is a liberal nut case instead of a conservative nut case...

I don't think it's right in either case but at least his target wasn't other human beings. For every "liberal nutcase" I can find you ten conservative ones. All you have to do is stand outside an abortion clinic to see who has more crazies... Razz

gringaloca wrote:

Lucas McCain wrote:: Several people could have been killed.. He set the bomb off without regard to human life and destroyed private property... But I guess that's OK because he is a liberal nut case instead of a conservative nut case...

I don't think it's right in either case but at least his target wasn't other human beings. For every "liberal nutcase" I can find you ten conservative ones. All you have to do is stand outside an abortion clinic to see who has more crazies... Razz

I have stood outside the abortion clinic in Louisville praying with a group from the Archdiocese of Louisville. Sometimes the Archbishop will be there. When I have been there, no one has ever harrassed those entering the clinic. I can't think of a case where someone even approached the mothers entering the clinic. Sometimes they may approach us and we will ask them to consider going down the street to the Pregnancy Resource Center to get an ultrasound to see their baby and also to get information on the numerous charties in Louisville which offer help to mothers of unplanned pregnancy.

I would hope that doesn't make us conservative nut jobs. I leave that up to the Judge and Lucas Smile

Wyatt Earp wrote:

gringaloca wrote:

Lucas McCain wrote:: Several people could have been killed.. He set the bomb off without regard to human life and destroyed private property... But I guess that's OK because he is a liberal nut case instead of a conservative nut case...

I don't think it's right in either case but at least his target wasn't other human beings. For every "liberal nutcase" I can find you ten conservative ones. All you have to do is stand outside an abortion clinic to see who has more crazies... Razz

I have stood outside the abortion clinic in Louisville praying with a group from the Archdiocese of Louisville. Sometimes the Archbishop will be there. When I have been there, no one has ever harrassed those entering the clinic. I can't think of a case where someone even approached the mothers entering the clinic. Sometimes they may approach us and we will ask them to consider going down the street to the Pregnancy Resource Center to get an ultrasound to see their baby and also to get information on the numerous charties in Louisville which offer help to mothers of unplanned pregnancy.

I would hope that doesn't make us conservative nut jobs. I leave that up to the Judge and Lucas Smile

I don't think you are a nutjob unless you are one of the protesters who yells at people as they walk by that they are going to burn in hell or attack people. I guess I don't understand why people stand outside of abortion clinics. If you want to pray, can't that be done anywhere? And how many of those women are walking in those doors because they've been raped? I just think it is wrong putting such heavy guilt on people when the protesters don't even know what brought some of those people to that choice. I'll post some videos of the crazies I am referring to but my net is running slow at the moment..

gringaloca wrote:: I don't think you are a nutjob unless you are one of the protesters who yells at people as they walk by that they are going to burn in hell or attack people.

I have been to several abortion clinic prayer vigils and have never seen something like you describe other than on television and even those I don't see very often. I feel very confident of all of the Pro Life gatherings that occur outside an abortion clinic, maybe 1% (if that?) involve such confrontations. However, the few times they do occur, the media has to rush out there like mad and spread it all over the news around the country. Whereas of all the prayer vigils I have been part of, no one from the secular media has ever shown up. Just the reporters who are part of The Record, the Archdiocese of Louisville's paper that is sent to the homes of Catholics registered to a Church. Such "uneven" coverage could certainly lead one to come to the incorrect assumption that such rowdy occasions occur at a regular occasion.

As I said, you can drive down Market Street in Louisville just about any day and see a small gathering of people praying. Never once have I seen any type of confrontation. I hear the same from friends of mine up in Chicago, St. Louis and Los Angeles who also pray by their abortion clinics and never see any kind of ruckus going on.

gringaloca wrote:: I guess I don't understand why people stand outside of abortion clinics. If you want to pray, can't that be done anywhere?..

Sure, you can pray at church, at your bed before going to sleep, at your desk at work while taking a short break or even in the shower I guess???

However, when you are trying to SAVE LIVES by hoping the parents of the child will reconsider the decision, standing outside the abortion mill praying tends to have much more of an affect. Most of the mothers who actually talked to us just feel they have no choice. Generally this is a young mother who lives with a parent or both and the parent(s) just don't want to deal with another child so they put unbearable pressure on the mother to abort. Or the mother may live with a guy who had no problem using her to get his sexual jollies but now that he is a father, he doesn't want any of that kind of responsibility so he is putting pressure on the monther to abort. It amazes me just how many women who go in for abortions DO NOT WANT THE ABORTION but don't know where else to turn. If they talk to us and ask us for help, we can offer them that help.

They are numerous agencies set up to help them. One of which I voluteer at is a maternity ward for mothers of unplanned pregnancy to live at while pregnant and up to three years after the child is born. During that time from they receive all of their needs, they receive education, they receive both job counseling and emotional counseling and other services to help them become good mothers or to put their child up for adoption.

gringaloca wrote:: And how many of those women are walking in those doors because they've been raped?..

While I certainly sympathize with a woman who has been through such a horrible experience (I know one who has and she is very Pro-Life even in cases of rape), I do not think the innocent child which had nothing to do with the attack deserves death.

gringaloca wrote:: I just think it is wrong putting such heavy guilt on people when the protesters don't even know what brought some of those people to that choice. ..

I don't know of any instance where we have put guilt on a woman who entered the clinic. However, I do know that numerous surveys of women who have had abortions show that the majority of them regret their abortion and many of those have a sense of guilt about it.

gringaloca wrote:: I'll post some videos of the crazies I am referring to but my net is running slow at the moment..

Fair enough. While you are at it, why don't you drive by the nearest abortion clinic to you. I would not be surprised if there is a very peaceful and reverent prayer vigil going on. Especially if you go on a Saturday since Saturdays seemed to be the busiest days for abortions. I think if you drive by a few of these vigils you will see that peaceful vigils are by far the norm which do not attract media attention like the rare incidents of idiots out there making asses of themselves.

Wyatt Earp wrote:

gringaloca wrote:: I don't think you are a nutjob unless you are one of the protesters who yells at people as they walk by that they are going to burn in hell or attack people.

I have been to several abortion clinic prayer vigils and have never seen something like you describe other than on television and even those I don't see very often. I feel very confident of all of the Pro Life gatherings that occur outside an abortion clinic, maybe 1% (if that?) involve such confrontations. However, the few times they do occur, the media has to rush out there like mad and spread it all over the news around the country. Whereas of all the prayer vigils I have been part of, no one from the secular media has ever shown up. Just the reporters who are part of The Record, the Archdiocese of Louisville's paper that is sent to the homes of Catholics registered to a Church. Such "uneven" coverage could certainly lead one to come to the incorrect assumption that such rowdy occasions occur at a regular occasion.

As I said, you can drive down Market Street in Louisville just about any day and see a small gathering of people praying. Never once have I seen any type of confrontation. I hear the same from friends of mine up in Chicago, St. Louis and Los Angeles who also pray by their abortion clinics and never see any kind of ruckus going on.

gringaloca wrote:: I guess I don't understand why people stand outside of abortion clinics. If you want to pray, can't that be done anywhere?..

Sure, you can pray at church, at your bed before going to sleep, at your desk at work while taking a short break or even in the shower I guess???

However, when you are trying to SAVE LIVES by hoping the parents of the child will reconsider the decision, standing outside the abortion mill praying tends to have much more of an affect. Most of the mothers who actually talked to us just feel they have no choice. Generally this is a young mother who lives with a parent or both and the parent(s) just don't want to deal with another child so they put unbearable pressure on the mother to abort. Or the mother may live with a guy who had no problem using her to get his sexual jollies but now that he is a father, he doesn't want any of that kind of responsibility so he is putting pressure on the monther to abort. It amazes me just how many women who go in for abortions DO NOT WANT THE ABORTION but don't know where else to turn. If they talk to us and ask us for help, we can offer them that help.

They are numerous agencies set up to help them. One of which I voluteer at is a maternity ward for mothers of unplanned pregnancy to live at while pregnant and up to three years after the child is born. During that time from they receive all of their needs, they receive education, they receive both job counseling and emotional counseling and other services to help them become good mothers or to put their child up for adoption.

gringaloca wrote:: And how many of those women are walking in those doors because they've been raped?..

While I certainly sympathize with a woman who has been through such a horrible experience (I know one who has and she is very Pro-Life even in cases of rape), I do not think the innocent child which had nothing to do with the attack deserves death.

gringaloca wrote:: I just think it is wrong putting such heavy guilt on people when the protesters don't even know what brought some of those people to that choice. ..

I don't know of any instance where we have put guilt on a woman who entered the clinic. However, I do know that numerous surveys of women who have had abortions show that the majority of them regret their abortion and many of those have a sense of guilt about it.

gringaloca wrote:: I'll post some videos of the crazies I am referring to but my net is running slow at the moment..

Fair enough. While you are at it, why don't you drive by the nearest abortion clinic to you. I would not be surprised if there is a very peaceful and reverent prayer vigil going on. Especially if you go on a Saturday since Saturdays seemed to be the busiest days for abortions. I think if you drive by a few of these vigils you will see that peaceful vigils are by far the norm which do not attract media attention like the rare incidents of idiots out there making asses of themselves.

So you think that a woman who has been raped, even by her own father, should be forced to deliver the child? And how many women have you guys talked out of getting an abortion as they walked in the door?

Wyatt Earp wrote:

gringaloca wrote:: I don't think you are a nutjob unless you are one of the protesters who yells at people as they walk by that they are going to burn in hell or attack people.

I have been to several abortion clinic prayer vigils and have never seen something like you describe other than on television and even those I don't see very often. I feel very confident of all of the Pro Life gatherings that occur outside an abortion clinic, maybe 1% (if that?) involve such confrontations. However, the few times they do occur, the media has to rush out there like mad and spread it all over the news around the country. Whereas of all the prayer vigils I have been part of, no one from the secular media has ever shown up. Just the reporters who are part of The Record, the Archdiocese of Louisville's paper that is sent to the homes of Catholics registered to a Church. Such "uneven" coverage could certainly lead one to come to the incorrect assumption that such rowdy occasions occur at a regular occasion.

As I said, you can drive down Market Street in Louisville just about any day and see a small gathering of people praying. Never once have I seen any type of confrontation. I hear the same from friends of mine up in Chicago, St. Louis and Los Angeles who also pray by their abortion clinics and never see any kind of ruckus going on.

gringaloca wrote:: I guess I don't understand why people stand outside of abortion clinics. If you want to pray, can't that be done anywhere?..

Sure, you can pray at church, at your bed before going to sleep, at your desk at work while taking a short break or even in the shower I guess???

However, when you are trying to SAVE LIVES by hoping the parents of the child will reconsider the decision, standing outside the abortion mill praying tends to have much more of an affect. Most of the mothers who actually talked to us just feel they have no choice. Generally this is a young mother who lives with a parent or both and the parent(s) just don't want to deal with another child so they put unbearable pressure on the mother to abort. Or the mother may live with a guy who had no problem using her to get his sexual jollies but now that he is a father, he doesn't want any of that kind of responsibility so he is putting pressure on the monther to abort. It amazes me just how many women who go in for abortions DO NOT WANT THE ABORTION but don't know where else to turn. If they talk to us and ask us for help, we can offer them that help.

They are numerous agencies set up to help them. One of which I voluteer at is a maternity ward for mothers of unplanned pregnancy to live at while pregnant and up to three years after the child is born. During that time from they receive all of their needs, they receive education, they receive both job counseling and emotional counseling and other services to help them become good mothers or to put their child up for adoption.

gringaloca wrote:: And how many of those women are walking in those doors because they've been raped?..

While I certainly sympathize with a woman who has been through such a horrible experience (I know one who has and she is very Pro-Life even in cases of rape), I do not think the innocent child which had nothing to do with the attack deserves death.

gringaloca wrote:: I just think it is wrong putting such heavy guilt on people when the protesters don't even know what brought some of those people to that choice. ..

I don't know of any instance where we have put guilt on a woman who entered the clinic. However, I do know that numerous surveys of women who have had abortions show that the majority of them regret their abortion and many of those have a sense of guilt about it.

gringaloca wrote:: I'll post some videos of the crazies I am referring to but my net is running slow at the moment..

Fair enough. While you are at it, why don't you drive by the nearest abortion clinic to you. I would not be surprised if there is a very peaceful and reverent prayer vigil going on. Especially if you go on a Saturday since Saturdays seemed to be the busiest days for abortions. I think if you drive by a few of these vigils you will see that peaceful vigils are by far the norm which do not attract media attention like the rare incidents of idiots out there making asses of themselves.

Sounds like you are doing very good work. thumb

Annie Oakley wrote:: Sounds like you are doing very good work.

Thanks Annie. We just try to change one heart at a time. thumb

Unfortunately we hundreds of thousands of hearts still to change before any real reform occurs in the abortion issue.

gringaloca wrote:: So you think that a woman who has been raped, even by her own father, should be forced to deliver the child?

Wyatt Earp wrote:: While I certainly sympathize with a woman who has been through such a horrible experience (I know one who has and she is very Pro-Life even in cases of rape), I do not think the innocent child which had nothing to do with the attack deserves death.

Again, I feel for what happened to the women who are victims of rape but I do not believe relieving them of giving birth to the child justifies the child's death.

gringaloca wrote:: And how many women have you guys talked out of getting an abortion as they walked in the door?

I doesn't happen every time I go out there but it certainly is not unusual. I would guess it happens a few times a week. Again, I cannot stress how many women are going to the clinic who DO NOT WANT the abortion, they are just confused, scared and feel they have no other options. If they are open to listening to the support and comfort that can be offered, several will decide to keep the child.

Wyatt Earp wrote:

gringaloca wrote:: So you think that a woman who has been raped, even by her own father, should be forced to deliver the child?

Wyatt Earp wrote:: While I certainly sympathize with a woman who has been through such a horrible experience (I know one who has and she is very Pro-Life even in cases of rape), I do not think the innocent child which had nothing to do with the attack deserves death.

Again, I feel for what happened to the women who are victims of rape but I do not believe relieving them of giving birth to the child justifies the child's death.

gringaloca wrote:: And how many women have you guys talked out of getting an abortion as they walked in the door?

I doesn't happen every time I go out there but it certainly is not unusual. I would guess it happens a few times a week. Again, I cannot stress how many women are going to the clinic who DO NOT WANT the abortion, they are just confused, scared and feel they have no other options. If they are open to listening to the support and comfort that can be offered, several will decide to keep the child.

I don't want you to take what I've been saying the wrong way. If you can talk women out of getting an abortion and finding a positive alternative then keep up the good work. If you guys are able to turn away that many people from having an abortion then your presence there is a good thing. Especially since you guys don't partake in the attacks or guilt trips that I've seen before. My only objection about it is making women who have been through rape or incest feel even worse about their situation. I'm against using abortion as birth control and I think partial birth abortion is disgusting but I can totally understand why a woman wouldn't want to give birth to a child who's the product of rape or incest. What kind of life will that child have especially incest? If they aren't mentally or physically destroyed by it, how will they go through life knowing how they were created without being totally depressed and/or disturbed individuals? And I know that some people think that women are nothing more than incubators and why can't they just give the child up for adoption after the nine months they resided within. It's not that easy. Having that life growing inside you and having the permanent marks left on your body to remind you of what happened is not something that everyone can deal with. That's the sort of thing that can ruin a persons life even more than the actual rape itself. Knowing the product of that crime is out in the world. The confusion it would cause. I know it's hard for men to look at it from a womans point of view but it's not easy being pregnant even when circumstances are normal. I agree with President Obama that the world would be a better place without abortion but we have to get to the point where people get the education/birth control they need to avoid unwanted pregnancies. When Bush took away the funding to places like Planned Parenthood, he made abortion more likely. Before a girl could walk into the office and get the birth control shot or pill for nothing. Plus they received check-ups and tests for free which kept them healthier and stopped disease from spreading. Now the people who don't have insurance are more than likely going to go with diseases undetected. We can teach our children abstinence all we want but I think we all know that isn't the solution. Teens have sex. Always have, always will. Some will choose to listen to what we have told them but most won't.

Subject: Want to see some rabble-rousers? Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:24 am

Warning: this clip contains strong language.

I've probably been in the dark, but what does SEIU stand for and what is their designated purpose?

Annie Oakley wrote:: I've probably been in the dark, but what does SEIU stand for and what is their designated purpose?

The Service Employees International Union, they are a union that supports health care reform.
It's a labor union representing over 2 million workers in over 100 occupations in the United States, Canada, and Puerto Rico. The main divisions are health care (around 50% of the union's membership), including hospital, home care and nursing home workers, public services (government employees), and property services (including janitors and security officers). With over 300 local branches, SEIU is affiliated with the Change to Win Federation and the Canadian Labour Congress. It is based in Washington, D.C., and has seven internal divisions: Communications, Education, Human Rights, International Affairs, Organization, Political, and Research.

Again, there is some strong language in this video, but it's a better video as you can see what's going on better.

Kenneth Gladney, 38, a conservative activist from St. Louis, said he was attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out yellow flags with "Don't tread on me" printed on them. He spoke to the Post-Dispatch from the emergency room at St. John's Mercy Medical Center, where he said he was awaiting treatment for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face. Gladney, who is black, said one of his attackers, also a black man, used a racial slur against him before the attack.

Judge Roy Bean wrote:: Again, there is some strong language in this video, but it's a better video as you can see what's going on better.

Kenneth Gladney, 38, a conservative activist from St. Louis, said he was attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out yellow flags with "Don't tread on me" printed on them. He spoke to the Post-Dispatch from the emergency room at St. John's Mercy Medical Center, where he said he was awaiting treatment for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face. Gladney, who is black, said one of his attackers, also a black man, used a racial slur against him before the attack.

As this one starts late, it's hard to tell what preceded the footage that was shown and who threw the first punch. One thing is certain - mob mentality is scary.

Here's an interview with Kenneth Gladney about the incident.

Annie Oakley wrote:

Judge Roy Bean wrote:: Again, there is some strong language in this video, but it's a better video as you can see what's going on better.

Kenneth Gladney, 38, a conservative activist from St. Louis, said he was attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out yellow flags with "Don't tread on me" printed on them. He spoke to the Post-Dispatch from the emergency room at St. John's Mercy Medical Center, where he said he was awaiting treatment for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face. Gladney, who is black, said one of his attackers, also a black man, used a racial slur against him before the attack.

As this one starts late, it's hard to tell what preceded the footage that was shown and who threw the first punch. One thing is certain - mob mentality is scary.

I agree!