The friend of mine I spoke of in earlier posts....

Remember when I spoke of my friend who was battling her insurance company because they didn't want to cover her chemo and radiation for her advanced breast cancer...well, they informed her today that they are dropping her health-care and she hasn't completed her radiation treatments. The insurance company is one of the biggest companies in the country. She is sick and is so weak she can barely walk right now and she is expected to fight a legal battle for her life. She has also talked to other insurance companies about getting her radiation therapy covered so she can be done with this and nobody will take her because of her "pre-existing" condition. Anybody that doesn't support universal health-care and an end to the "pre-existing" condition BS can frankly kiss my behind because you obviously don't care about my friend or people like her. I am furious about this today. Count your blessings every night that you aren't in her shoes. The skin on her face and body is literally slothing off and burned from weeks of chemo. She is blistered all over. She can't eat without being sick. Yeah, let's just keep everything the way it is. What wonderful health-care we have in this country and what wonderful insurance companies. NOT. Those insurance giants have had their day. It's time to take them DOWN.

The "pre-existing" clause is one good thing about the bill... Here's another..

Another controversial Republican amendment passed by voice vote, over Waxman's objections. Backed by Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., it would bar the federal government from using research comparing medical treatments' effectiveness to deny or ration care.

Lucas McCain wrote:

The "pre-existing" clause is one good thing about the bill... Here's another..

Another controversial Republican amendment passed by voice vote, over Waxman's objections. Backed by Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., it would bar the federal government from using research comparing medical treatments' effectiveness to deny or ration care.

Treatment should be up the doctor and patient only. It would be crazy to deny certain treatments to some people due to lack of effectiveness. But many republicans believe that certain procedures should be limited as well, so it seems there are idiots on both sides of the aisle (which we already knew).

I feel so badly for her. It is pretty eye opening. To have to battle breast cancer - and the insurance companies - is just too much.

gringaloca wrote:

Remember when I spoke of my friend who was battling her insurance company because they didn't want to cover her chemo and radiation for her advanced breast cancer...well, they informed her today that they are dropping her health-care and she hasn't completed her radiation treatments. The insurance company is one of the biggest companies in the country. She is sick and is so weak she can barely walk right now and she is expected to fight a legal battle for her life. She has also talked to other insurance companies about getting her radiation therapy covered so she can be done with this and nobody will take her because of her "pre-existing" condition. Anybody that doesn't support universal health-care and an end to the "pre-existing" condition BS can frankly kiss my behind because you obviously don't care about my friend or people like her. I am furious about this today. Count your blessings every night that you aren't in her shoes. The skin on her face and body is literally slothing off and burned from weeks of chemo. She is blistered all over. She can't eat without being sick. Yeah, let's just keep everything the way it is. What wonderful health-care we have in this country and what wonderful insurance companies. NOT. Those insurance giants have had their day. It's time to take them DOWN.

It's very unfortunate that your friend, or anyone for that matter, has to endure such battles. Surely you don't believe that if the government is in charge of "health insurance" these battles are over. Do you? Gringa, I don't claim to know the answer to this problem, but putting the government in charge of anything so big is one thing I have ZERO confidence in. I can't think of one entitlement program that they run effectively or efficiently. Prayers going out.

gringaloca wrote:

Lucas McCain wrote:

The "pre-existing" clause is one good thing about the bill... Here's another..

Another controversial Republican amendment passed by voice vote, over Waxman's objections. Backed by Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., it would bar the federal government from using research comparing medical treatments' effectiveness to deny or ration care.

Treatment should be up the doctor and patient only. It would be crazy to deny certain treatments to some people due to lack of effectiveness. But many republicans believe that certain procedures should be limited as well, so it seems there are idiots on both sides of the aisle (which we already knew).

Which procedures do Republicans want to limit?(other than abortion and cosmetic surgery)

Lucas McCain wrote:

gringaloca wrote:

Lucas McCain wrote:

The "pre-existing" clause is one good thing about the bill... Here's another..

Another controversial Republican amendment passed by voice vote, over Waxman's objections. Backed by Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., it would bar the federal government from using research comparing medical treatments' effectiveness to deny or ration care.

Treatment should be up the doctor and patient only. It would be crazy to deny certain treatments to some people due to lack of effectiveness. But many republicans believe that certain procedures should be limited as well, so it seems there are idiots on both sides of the aisle (which we already knew).

Which procedures do Republicans want to limit?(other than abortion and cosmetic surgery)

To be honest, I don't know. I keep hearing many talking about how they would like to select parts of their insurance or they want their insurance to be like car insurance, etc.. It's quite confusing.

It's quite confusing.

^Holy Moly!! That's two things we agree on in one day... Cool beans..

SKINNYPIG wrote:

It's very unfortunate that your friend, or anyone for that matter, has to endure such battles. Surely you don't believe that if the government is in charge of "health insurance" these battles are over. Do you? Gringa, I don't claim to know the answer to this problem, but putting the government in charge of anything so big is one thing I have ZERO confidence in. I can't think of one entitlement program that they run effectively or efficiently. Prayers going out.

Medicare recipients rate their program higher than private insurance customers do theirs.

Ja'far wrote:

SKINNYPIG wrote:

It's very unfortunate that your friend, or anyone for that matter, has to endure such battles. Surely you don't believe that if the government is in charge of "health insurance" these battles are over. Do you? Gringa, I don't claim to know the answer to this problem, but putting the government in charge of anything so big is one thing I have ZERO confidence in. I can't think of one entitlement program that they run effectively or efficiently. Prayers going out.

Medicare recipients rate their program higher than private insurance customers do theirs.

I'm blessed enough to have good private insurance and medicare but I did have medicare only during my last major surgery and it paid for everything. There was no hassle and I barely paid anything. No complaints plus the EOB's are detailed and easy to understand. I have also dealt with other government run programs that I think work wonderfully. I've never collected welfare or been on food stamps but I know people who are and they have no problems with it. And I know children who have benefited from government programs. Not to mention all those other "socialized" programs that we all take for granted every day of our lives...

gringaloca wrote:

Ja'far wrote:

SKINNYPIG wrote:

It's very unfortunate that your friend, or anyone for that matter, has to endure such battles. Surely you don't believe that if the government is in charge of "health insurance" these battles are over. Do you? Gringa, I don't claim to know the answer to this problem, but putting the government in charge of anything so big is one thing I have ZERO confidence in. I can't think of one entitlement program that they run effectively or efficiently. Prayers going out.

Medicare recipients rate their program higher than private insurance customers do theirs.

I'm blessed enough to have good private insurance and medicare but I did have medicare only during my last major surgery and it paid for everything. There was no hassle and I barely paid anything. No complaints plus the EOB's are detailed and easy to understand. I have also dealt with other government run programs that I think work wonderfully. I've never collected welfare or been on food stamps but I know people who are and they have no problems with it. And I know children who have benefited from government programs. Not to mention all those other "socialized" programs that we all take for granted every day of our lives...

Yes you, along with many more Americans are indeed blessed to have the options we have today. It will be impossible to have the same choices we have now if the bill passes.

Of course some people have success dealing with "government run programs". Many will agree with you that it works wonderfully. I'm willing to bet though that medicare, welfare, the food stamp program, SSI and any other entitlement program the government runs has as many, if not more unsatisfied people that feel it's not fair as the private health care business has. I guarantee there is not one private business that earns as much profit as the fore mentioned government programs waste. Keep in mind...It's our money they are wasting. The government does not earn it's money, they take it from us.

SKINNYPIG wrote:

gringaloca wrote:

Ja'far wrote:

SKINNYPIG wrote:

It's very unfortunate that your friend, or anyone for that matter, has to endure such battles. Surely you don't believe that if the government is in charge of "health insurance" these battles are over. Do you? Gringa, I don't claim to know the answer to this problem, but putting the government in charge of anything so big is one thing I have ZERO confidence in. I can't think of one entitlement program that they run effectively or efficiently. Prayers going out.

Medicare recipients rate their program higher than private insurance customers do theirs.

I'm blessed enough to have good private insurance and medicare but I did have medicare only during my last major surgery and it paid for everything. There was no hassle and I barely paid anything. No complaints plus the EOB's are detailed and easy to understand. I have also dealt with other government run programs that I think work wonderfully. I've never collected welfare or been on food stamps but I know people who are and they have no problems with it. And I know children who have benefited from government programs. Not to mention all those other "socialized" programs that we all take for granted every day of our lives...

Yes you, along with many more Americans are indeed blessed to have the options we have today. It will be impossible to have the same choices we have now if the bill passes.

Of course some people have success dealing with "government run programs". Many will agree with you that it works wonderfully. I'm willing to bet though that medicare, welfare, the food stamp program, SSI and any other entitlement program the government runs has as many, if not more unsatisfied people that feel it's not fair as the private health care business has. I guarantee there is not one private business that earns as much profit as the fore mentioned government programs waste. Keep in mind...It's our money they are wasting. The government does not earn it's money, they take it from us.

Are you willing to put your money where you mouth is and refuse social security, public schools, fire and police departments, etc? You know they are all "socialized" programs, right?

I will gladly refuse social security, I probably won't need it and it more than likely won't be available when I'm of age anyway. If there were a good private school in my area I would gladly refuse public schools. I do a better job home schooling. I might need a fire department or policeman some day. Our local fire department is locally funded by citizens (no government control). I guess you got me on the police if they are a "socialized" program. Count me in, I'm all for BHO and his socialist agenda.

SKINNYPIG wrote:

I will gladly refuse social security, I probably won't need it and it more than likely won't be available when I'm of age anyway. If there were a good private school in my area I would gladly refuse public schools. I do a better job home schooling. I might need a fire department or policeman some day. Our local fire department is locally funded by citizens (no government control). I guess you got me on the police if they are a "socialized" program. Count me in, I'm all for BHO and his socialist agenda.

I personally believe that the world "socialism" is totally blown out of proportion. I also believe that the reason the word was tossed out to begin with is because lots of Americans are ignorant and don't even know what it means. They don't bother to pick up a dictionary or have a civilized conversation about "socialism", they just think it sounds horrible so it must be stopped. When in fact, they are benefiting from socialism every single day. There is nothing worse than ignorance and add fear and hatred to the mix and it's a ticking time bomb. I'd love to go to a republican rally down in the hills and ask people what the definition of socialism is. I'm not being nasty because I know in a lot of cases it's not their faults. They have horrible school systems and lots don't even get a high school degree because they are pregnant at 16 because nobody taught them about birth control, etc. It's a sad situation.

PS Since you won't be using those social security checks, sign them and deposit them into my checking account. I need all the help I can get right now.

If you honestly are in need, please PM me with your address and I will help in any way I can. Seriously, I mean it. It will be a few years before the SS checks start to come.

SKINNYPIG wrote:

If you honestly are in need, please PM me with your address and I will help in any way I can. Seriously, I mean it. It will be a few years before the SS checks start to come.

Since I don't actually know you, I doubt that would be a good idea. You could be some nut. Anyway, I'm glad to hear you are doing so well for yourself right now. God Bless Obama!

Not doing all that well. I do like to help though. And yes, I am a nut. Trust me, you would be safe. Obama has/had the opportunity to become the greatest President in history and I'm afraid he's letting a bad crowd ruin it all for him and us.

SKINNYPIG wrote:

Not doing all that well. I do like to help though. And yes, I am a nut. Trust me, you would be safe. Obama has/had the opportunity to become the greatest President in history and I'm afraid he's letting a bad crowd ruin it all for him and us.

How?

All that "Governing down the middle, No more politics of old, Transparency, No More 1000 page bills, No more pork, etc, etc, etc" would have been great. Unfortunately he has swung wildly to the left and has completely ignored republican/conservative voters. I know Presidents can't keep every promise but wow! This guy has turned his back to everything he promised those in the middle and on the right, and they are the ones that elected him. I think it's the guys he keeps close that are pushing him farther to the left than he wants to go.

SKINNYPIG wrote:

All that "Governing down the middle, No more politics of old, Transparency, No More 1000 page bills, No more pork, etc, etc, etc" would have been great. Unfortunately he has swung wildly to the left and has completely ignored republican/conservative voters. I know Presidents can't keep every promise but wow! This guy has turned his back to everything he promised those in the middle and on the right, and they are the ones that elected him. I think it's the guys he keeps close that are pushing him farther to the left than he wants to go.

I don't know if this would surprise your or not but the true liberals feel that Obama is just another Bush. He's surely not swinging to the left like you claim or he wouldn't have so many liberals upset with him. And your comment about him breaking all of his promises is far from the truth. His list of promises was a long one and I think it would be impossible for any president to do all of it considering the mess he has had dumped in his lap but he is following through on most of his promises. Either that or is working on it. I've posted before a list of all of his promises that he kept. There were 510 of them. So far out of all of the promises, he has only had to break seven of them. I consider that pretty good taking everything into consideration. He can't work miracles. So far he has fulfilled 34 of those promises. He's come to a compromise on 11. 12 of them are currently stalled because of other things taking priority and 77 are in the works. That leaves 374 to work on. He's just one man and he can only do so much at a time. He's only been in office for a little over seven months. Considering past presidents, I think he's been better than most about keeping his promises. I've listed this site before but I'll list it again so you can check it out yourself. The Obameter-PolitiFact

And if you look through the other politicians and pundits you will find that his record is great compared to most. Some politicians can't tell the truth at all. Look at Michelle Bachmann, Glenn Beck, Rush, Hannity and the others. Somebody needs to do some fact checking for those people before they open their mouths because they are spreading lies. Their lies don't help republicans, it just makes them look unreliable and crazy. I really have no time for talking head pundits. On occasion they will contribute something worthwhile but for the most part it's just more shock entertainment for the masses.